If you’re curious about what it looks like to stop pursuing weight loss, click here for some fabulous freebies that will help guide you in your journey!

Click here to leave me a review on iTunes and subscribe. This type of kindness helps the show continue!

Find FREE food voice resources here.

Thank you for supporting Find Your Food Voice!

Julie Duffy Dillon (00:00)

Great news, the Find Your Food Voice book is ready for pre-order. You can get to it at julieduffydillon.com slash book. Again, the Find Your Food Voice book, the book you need to help you reconnect to your own innate eating wisdom and help you break free from diet culture. I have written this book for you and I’m so excited to bring it to you. Get to it at julieduffydillon.com slash book.

Julie Duffy Dillon (00:25)

Welcome to episode 399 of the Find Your Food Voice podcast. Today we’re talking all about predicted wellness trends for 2025. Let’s get to it.

Julie Duffy Dillon (02:06)

Welcome to the Find Your Food Voice podcast. I am Julie Duffy Dillon, registered dietitian and your host. This is a Diet Culture IRL chat where I am going to be unpacking all of our predicted wellness trends for 2025 with Coleen Bremner and Rachel

Coleen Bremner, of course, is our hype woman extraordinaire and helps me behind the scenes with things like the VoiceFinder newsletter. And Rachel Popik is our anti-diet chef who helps run the PCOS Power Community, we like to get together once a month to unpack where we are seeing diet culture IRL. And so this month we are sharing with you all of the trends that we have been noticing. We are noticing a shift in tone, new things to decode, as well as what is old is new again. And we are ready to unpack all of it because we want you to be prepared as you’re navigating 2025 and ways to protect yourself from diet culture. So we are gonna get to it after just a few housekeeping announcements. Like I mentioned at the top of the show, the Find Your Food Voice book is ready for pre-order. One of the best ways you can support me and the team is to pre-order this book.

You can get to it at julieduffydillon.com/book. And another way to support us is to take the 2025 Find Your Food Voice survey. This is for those of you who listen to the podcast, who may be also reading the newsletter, the VoiceFinder newsletter. You can get to the survey at julieduffydillon.com slash survey. By doing the survey, you help us to decide content for the next year or two and really just be able to develop the types of products and services and podcast episodes, newsletter topics that you need to help navigate your own personal diet culture experiences. So again, doing the survey is super helpful and we do offer a door dash gift card to one lucky winner. So we want you to win. Someone has to win, it might as well be you, right? So go to jullieduffydillon.com slash survey and we really appreciate the one to two minutes that it takes to take the survey. All right, enough of all the housekeeping and we’re gonna take a very quick ad break and then we’ll be ready to get started with our Diet Culture IRL 2025 Wellness Trends.

Julie Duffy Dillon (04:30)

Hey there team, welcome.

Coleen (04:32)

Hey, happy new year.

Rachel (04:33)

Hey, how’s it going?

Julie Duffy Dillon (04:36)

going okay. My kids got to go back to school today, so that’s a win. Thank you. Yes.

Rachel (04:41)

I feel like this is very late.

Julie Duffy Dillon (04:44)

Yeah, that’s because there was a little like dusting of snow. you know, that shuts everything down in North Carolina. To be fair, there was some sheets of ice. I think there’s maybe one like salt truck in the whole town. But luckily, they’re off to school in time for us to record this. I’m so excited to do this. Like we’ve never done like a wellness prediction episode before.

Rachel (04:48)

Mmm, yeah. Okay, that’s a valid reason.

Coleen (05:09)

I know, it’s gonna be so fun.

Rachel (05:11)

Yeah, can’t we?

Julie Duffy Dillon (05:12)

I don’t know if team if you know this, but this is episode, what was it? 399. Like it was gonna be 400, but next week’s gonna be 400, sorry. But we’ve done a lot of episodes, so I can’t believe you haven’t done this one yet. And happy early 400. Thanks. Thank you for hanging out with me.

Julie Duffy Dillon (05:34)

So we are talking wellness trends, like I said, and I haven’t really looked at in our Google Doc, like what you all are saying, but what I’m excited about is how we could possibly connect the dots on how all this shit is brewing, like how they’re all connected. But we have some interesting things.

Coleen (05:49)

Yeah. Yeah. And just, you know, wanted to start out by saying like, New Year, same us. Here we are. And yeah, it feels like, you know, before we launch into talking about this, like, feels like we’re freezing in the east and it’s like burning in the west here in the US. So if you are someone who’s been affected by inclement weather or like just weather in general, or some of these things going on, like we really. We’re here for you and we feel that and like reach out to us, like let us know what’s going on. If you want to chat about anything, like we are here for you and like support you wholeheartedly. But yeah, just thinking about, you know, how moving into the remainder of this year and thinking about, you know, what could possibly happen on the wellness horizon? Like very curious to hear your thoughts,

Julie Duffy Dillon (06:48)

yeah. Well, OK, let me tell you how I’ve come to appreciate this one. You all know that on modern Facebook or our Instagram, you know, that was hacked three years ago now, so I’m not there at all. And so I don’t have a lot of social media, but one type of social media I have fallen in love with in 2024 is Reddit. mean, I feel like it’s like how Twitter was when I first joined many, many moons ago. And what I noticed probably mid summer, early fall was WW was no longer. It was explicitly Weight Watchers again.

Rachel (07:29)

I didn’t even know that.

Julie Duffy Dillon (07:30)

Yeah, I think it was this like soft launch of the relaunch.

Rachel (07:36)

They just like backpedaled, they were like, no longer WW.

Julie Duffy Dillon (07:39)

Yeah, we’re like, not playing that game anymore, pretending we’re not about weight loss. Fuck y’all, about weight loss. Yeah, like that’s basically what it said to me. And I was like, wow, that’s a powerful punch.

Rachel (07:52)

I wonder if did that happen at the same time? Cause aren’t they now like selling their version of GLP ones? I wonder if that happened at the like, yeah, the same, the same time.

Julie Duffy Dillon (07:58)

Yeah, mean, I think that’s part of it. Uh-huh. Yeah, now the weight loss industry because of GLP ones. Yeah, I think they’re just like, we actually have this new tool that is gonna be the silver bullet. And so let’s push this shit. So yeah.

Coleen (08:20)

Yuck. Being someone that’s in marketing too, like for those of you who are listening and don’t know that I’m in marketing, I like am just like, this is very interesting to me because there had to be a lot of conversations behind the scenes about how they were going to like rebrand but not relaunch, which is like also very interesting to me that they just like quietly went back to Weight Watchers. I don’t know. I’m fascinated by this.

Julie Duffy Dillon (08:43) Well, I can, I don’t want to say appreciate because fuck them. But we know that they were not doing very well in the age of the possibility of not dieting. We kept hearing that they weren’t making as much money basically. And all of these like scandals of like, they’re pushing things that they know that don’t work. And I’m, you know, they probably look back at the numbers and we’re like, we made more money when we talked about Weight Watchers instead of WW. So why don’t we go back one last like Hail Mary in a sense. you know what this taught me was that there was going to be a more of an explicit weight loss talk instead of this dance that we kind of had to decode. I think it’s going to be less of that. It’s going to be calories in calories out or whatever is the thing. And I do think it’s going to be calories in calories out, exercise calories. Like I think it’s going to be like that because of like leaning on the the GLP ones. But it’s like 1990s, early 2000s. This is when I was a new dietitian type of dieting. I’m like, fuck, I’m ready for this. And I want to help you listener to be ready to but it’s going to be less of a love yourself thin and more of like a sweaty gym coach blowing a whistle like mean kind of weight loss pushing.

Rachel (10:22) You said that and like the first image that popped into my mind was like Biggest Loser and like Jillian Michaels. Like that’s who I pictured immediately and I was like, ugh. Yeah.

Coleen (10:28)

Ugh.

Julie Duffy Dillon (10:31)

Exactly. think it’s, yeah, that’s exactly the time. Yeah.

Coleen (10:34)

Well, for the, this is the year of history repeating itself as we know. So don’t love that. Don’t love that.

Julie Duffy Dillon (10:42)

Pluto is doing the Pluto thing, right?

Rachel (10:45)

Apparently.

Julie Duffy Dillon (10:48) right. Well, and so this kind of leads into the next one for me too, which is also something that I noticed early on when I was a dietitian at first is less of a community warm fuzzy love yourself then, you know, and moving more into this individual pull yourself up by the bootstraps which I know that was still happening, but again, it was more of this like undercover kind of push and it’s just gonna be more explicit. And when we talked about in a December show about the winter arc, this was, I think also a part of what we are going to be seeing, which is like hiding off somewhere and then coming out of the woodwork center. So hide yourself until you look a certain way, kind of. And I think about occasions like weddings, reunions, family get togethers where you don’t see people very often. There’s probably going to be many people who will be like, ta-da. And the experience of that when your body hasn’t changed or has gained weight or for whatever reason you’re feeling like you’re going against the tide, yeah, like, being prepared for that. And even though diet culture, I think, is trying to eliminate community, which has its intention, I think when we’re not community, we’re isolated. When we’re isolated, we’re not as powerful. So this is when we need to stay in community as much as possible, especially if you’re continuing to not diet. Yeah.

Coleen (12:28)

Julie, what would you say to someone who might be feeling that pressure they’re about to see, maybe a group of friends that they haven’t seen in a long time, and their body has changed and looks different now, and they’re feeling a little bit nervous about that reintroduction into that friend group? What would you tell them?

Julie Duffy Dillon (12:37)

Mm-hmm. Hmm. well, I think I’m thinking about a number of things. But also, I’m not someone who experiences this type of oppression or marginalization. So I’m not going to be the best source for this. one thing that two of you have taught me is how you all connect, how you set each other text before like doctor’s appointments or things like this. So that’s my first instinct is what you’ve taught me. What else would you all do? Yeah.

Coleen (13:15)

Rachel, what do you think about that?

Rachel (13:18)

So it’s interesting because that to me in like moving myself away from diet culture, I think the thing that I struggle with the most still is that voice before I see a new group of people and my body’s changed. think especially like last summer we had our our Peace Corps cohort reunion and it’s been eight plus years since I’ve seen most of those people. at that point I was… in a very different body and was very unhealthy in my, you know, eating disorder days. But I look so different now. And I do remember thinking, like, kind of having to pump myself up and remind myself that it’s okay, that bodies change, that even if, no one looks the same as they did 10 years ago, and maybe it’s not weight. Maybe it’s wrinkles on their face or, you know, a hair loss or whatever, but no one looks the same as they did X many years ago. And that’s okay. Bodies change, bodies age. And just kind of repeating that to myself on top of leaning on my support system that I know. Yeah.

Coleen (14:35)

I love that. Yeah. So, so good. Yeah. I feel like I don’t really need to add anything. I think that hit like all the things that I would say as well. Like it were kind of in alignment there. yeah.

Julie Duffy Dillon (14:44)

Mm-hmm. Yeah, find community, excuse me, find community wherever you can, however you can.

Coleen (14:53)

Julie, any other kind of wellness trend thoughts? Yeah.

Julie Duffy Dillon (14:56)

No, those are the two. think, yeah, it’s going to be more explicit and more individual. there is a, it’s not a silver lining, but there’s a part of this that we can use to our advantage because it’s going to be more explicit. It’s not, there’s not going to be as much time spent wondering, is this deity or is this not? It’s going to be very clear. And, you know, people that I am friends with, that experience more, systems of oppression that I do often will tell me that they appreciate when they know. So I’m like, you know, let’s use this to our advantage then.

Coleen (15:30)

Yeah. Yeah. It’s like knowing your enemy. But I am thinking about, you know, what’s on the horizon and something that I feel like a lot of people are talking about in my circles. And New York Times just did a whole thing about ultra processed foods and processed foods, which I’m always like very intrigued about what the New York Times like writes about and I’m like, wow, you did an entire series on ultra processed foods. And so my prediction is that it seems like everyone is kind of re like stigmatizing processed foods a little bit. And I’m wondering if people know what the definition of processed foods really is, which is that any food that goes through sort of a process is a processed food. So, you know, think about apples when they’re picked from a tree, like think about, you know, I don’t know, a bunch of bananas, like getting the wrapped thing around the banana, like that is a process. So I think that really thinking about what people are saying and writing versus what is actually there and knowing that they’re not bad.

Coleen (16:56)

Right? Like, like we always talk about food as like not having any sort of moral value. And it’s just a way to help like nourish yourself. and convenience is also like a part of this. Right. You know, my baby, we sometimes buy these pouches, right, that are like blended up. And like when we’re on the go, that’s the easiest thing for us to like grab and go.

Coleen (17:24)

And I’m not gonna feel bad about making sure my baby is fed. So yes, exactly. So I think that, just reminding ourselves as we head into a lot of these conversations about processed, ultra processed, whatever that means, like think about your, just your food intake in a day, whatever that looks like and like remind yourself that like.

Julie Duffy Dillon (17:26)

No. Fed is best. Fed is always best. Yes.

Rachel (17:29)

Right.

Coleen (17:51)

What’s important is that you are fed. So the same goes for you. Fed is best. So anything else to add?

Rachel (17:58)

I think it’s really interesting that this conversation is happening at the same time as we’re seeing a rise in, which are to your point, they are processed foods, like, know, bagged salads or, you know, baby carrots or what have you, but the rise in recalls for like different listeria or what have you. And just kind of, it’s a really interesting, if you look at, you know, the atmosphere and you’re hearing like, okay, I can’t eat ultra processed foods or processed foods, but also like I can’t buy a bag of carrots because I don’t know if that’s gonna make me sick or this bag sat like, there are so many things that are quote unquote bad. And in the realm of food having Listeria, like that is bad. is obviously you don’t want foodborne illnesses, but it’s just really interesting that it’s happening. It’s adding on to foods that are on like the no list. Yeah. Yeah.

Julie Duffy Dillon (19:05)

making it more complicated, making it less accessible, which it reminds me so much of the information and what I learned from the book Fearing the Black Body. The more you can keep people from accessing certain ways of connecting to whiteness, the more that whiteness rises to the top. So it’s not that big of a stretch. The thing about the ultra process and processed food article in the New York Times, Coleen, did you get a chance to read it? I don’t have a subscription, so I haven’t read it, but I read some of the headlines.

Coleen (19:40)

I only read a few of the articles and then I was like, meh. Yeah, yeah.

Julie Duffy Dillon (19:45)

Can I ask you a personal question about it? We can edit this out if you’re like, But when you read some of the little tidbits, did you connect with any feelings? Did you feel anything reading it? What’d you feel?

Coleen (19:59)

my gosh. Yeah. My first thought like immediately, even though I’ve been on this journey forever was like, I do these things and therefore I am bad. Like that was my first, first initial thought. And it took, it takes a lot of energy to process that thought and then move into the next, which is, well, hang on pause, back up. We’ve done a lot of work, you know, to, to like,

Julie Duffy Dillon (20:10)

Yeah, like a shame kind of connection. Okay.

Yeah. Good.

Coleen (20:29)

think a different way. The other thing I found curious were the choices of the images of people they used on these articles because oftentimes they were probably considered super fats. And I think that’s also pretty inappropriate, primarily because as we know, all different types of body types eat different types of food. And so continuing to portray a certain image. One article was talking about fast food and how that’s all ultra processed. the more we eat that, the more we see a decline. And all of these different health indicators, right? But the images of the people in the article were super fat. it’s like, yeah, it’s like.

Julie Duffy Dillon (21:21)

Yeah, that makes sense. It’s following the formula. Yeah.

Coleen (21:25)

completely. I just I think that, my wish to maybe some friends who identify and are in smaller bodies would be just as you see those articles or as those things come out, really start asking questions. Why are they using this image? Why? Why are they using this language? What are they trying to invoke in the reader? And I mean, I got hooked in, right? I was completely it was total click bait for me. I was like, yep, I’m in like

Coleen (21:54)

I want to read about this. want to know what they’re going to say about this. know, so and I, yeah, it’s New York Times. Exactly. So I think just being really critical of, you know, and for me identifying like, okay, this is how this made me feel. I didn’t feel good. I can’t. So that’s why I didn’t end up reading the, I didn’t continue with the series because I was like, this is not for me. I thought, you know, maybe there would be some like nuggets of wisdom, but, nope.

Julie Duffy Dillon (21:58)

It’s the New York Times. It’s the New York Times. Yeah.

Julie Duffy Dillon (22:25)

thank you for sharing what you felt because what I’m thinking we can use as a tool, voice finders, is like when we read something or consume some media or we hear a message that is probably deity, if it connects to shame, then we know it’s a diet or we know it’s not for

I think that shame never promotes health and we can use that as kind of a warning, like, I’m connecting to shame right now. This article is not health promoting. This is something that is promoting racism in its way it’s connecting to. food choices. And yeah, the showing super fat bodies, as it’s talking about a food that’s now the villain, I think is very 1990s. Again, it’s also concerns me because that makes me think about things like violence, like it’s a dehumanization of a person to do this. So yeah, that’s something I talk about in the Find Your Food Voice book how when we dehumanize certain bodies, leads to more violence. so fuck, fuck off New York Times. Okay.

Coleen (23:38)

So I’ll touch on my last prediction and then I want to pass it over to Rachel. But I got a, you we always say the universe provides when we’re talking about these things. And I got an ad on Instagram the other day for a water tracker. And I was like, yes, I need to track my water because I’m so terrible at taking sips throughout the day. And I want to know how much I’m drinking and blah, blah. But the crux of the ad or their pull was to create this meal replacement with water in the guise of staying hydrated.

Julie Duffy Dillon (24:14)

This is like 1980s diet shit. no

Coleen (24:19)

like scrolling through this, I’m like, yes, I want this I want this app. And I’m like looking at the advertising. I’m like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a second. I was like, I don’t I don’t want this app. I want to definitely know that I’m drinking enough water, but like not this way. So I think that’s another one I’m I’m wondering about, you know, this kind of and maybe it’s just not just water. Maybe it’s any sort of fluid as a meal replacement.

Coleen (24:46)

but I think that might be on the 2025 horizon.

Julie Duffy Dillon (24:50)

probably water, bone broth, you know, something like that. And what I think this will lead to is more conversation around how we can’t trust our body. Because a part of the hydration as meal replacement was we can not trust hunger, it’s probably thirst. Always drink water before things like that was totally around this conversation. So

Julie Duffy Dillon (25:19)

It’s dangerous, it’s very dangerous. So thank you for finding that. That’s a great find and I know.

Coleen (25:25)

I wish I didn’t, but you’re welcome. Yeah, you’re welcome.

Rachel (25:26)

Right, I know. I’m like, thank you, but also, ugh.

Coleen (25:33)

All right, Rachel, tell us your predictions.

Rachel (25:35)

All right, so number one prediction is the idea of using hormone balancing as a, I mean, as a wellness trend, as a diet, but very much I’ve noticed, and partly because like my algorithm feeds me this, because I am someone with PCOS who’s, you know, certain like my androgens are higher than average, et cetera, and because of going through fertility issues, I am very focused on my hormone health. But something I’ve noticed is all of these meal plans, diets, lifestyles that are promoting hormone balancing or hormone health, just say that, hormones. There’s no specification of like, what hormones are you trying to get in? Like, it’s just so, it’s such a like catch all phrase for like wellness and well-being and like we want our hormones to be good. But if you like if you use again that kind of critical thinking of, well like what hormones are they talking about? Why hormones? There’s nothing under the surface there. And so I think that that’s a kind of, it’s something that we have seen but I think will continue is this idea of hormone health. hormone balancing as like a way to control your food and like your food intake.

Julie Duffy Dillon (27:01)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Does it feel gimmicky to you? it feel slick? Like you’re just kind of puffing up seam to get your attention. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, yeah.

Rachel (27:10)

Yeah. Yes, very much, very much. yeah, I think it’s, you know, and I definitely lean a little more crunchy. And so I think part of it is that, that ecosystem. But yeah, it’s just kind of, it’s fluff.

Julie Duffy Dillon (27:30)

same probably most listeners are also crunchy, you know, that that’s something that we probably all have some kind of connection to. And even for you the listener who may be like super left leaning, I don’t think that means that you’re out of the risk zone. think if anything, it may even feel more intense. Because of some of these which scares me so much. Yeah. Yeah

Coleen (27:59)

Well, any other predictions, Rachel?

Rachel (28:02)

So the other one I just want to mention is, mean, all, know, GLP ones are not new, but something that I kind of in the same vein of secretly losing weight and coming back and having this big reveal, right? We have this drug that’s being marketed as a weight loss drug that people are, you know, if you’re in a higher weight body, like every time you go to the doctor, being like shoved down your throat, you’re seeing it. everywhere, like GLP ones, GLP ones. But I think it was the Golden Globes that happened recently, right? And there are all of these are on GLP ones who have like lost weight. And I remember seeing like all of the coverage after that red carpet was demonizing people for looking like they had lost weight on Ozempic. And it’s just this very you know, this catch 22 that I think oftentimes higher weight people experience, like lose weight. You need to lose weight. You’re not worthy or, you know, can’t be seen as healthy if you’re in a higher weight body. But if you do it this way that we are telling you, you need to do it. We’re going to tell you you’re cheating. You’re taking the easy way out. Like it’s just this this hypocrisy that

Coleen (29:23)

It’s like total bullshit.

Rachel (29:24)

Yeah, that like, just think it’s worthwhile to point out because I think it’s, you know, whether you’re on a GLP one or not, like I’m not, you know, that is an individual choice. But it’s not fair that then people are being demonized for this thing that they’re being encouraged to do.

Julie Duffy Dillon (29:24)

Yeah, you can’t

Mm hmm. Yeah, they’re the world and all of its rules is dangling this carrot of access, but then yanks it away when people get close. Yeah, yeah. It’s it’s showing to true colors more often again. On the GLP one route, I have seen a commercial the last few days for a gummy version. And I’m like, seriously, what the fuck?

Julie Duffy Dillon (30:16)

It’s a whole new frontier of like, are you sure you’re getting what they’re promising kind of like supplement industry? How is this possible? So be a be weary of that, you know, we’re supposed to be scared of processed food that goes through all these regulations. But yet, these gummies that are supposed to increase these incretins to help do all these things that could be helpful if you have a certain type of diabetes, but otherwise could be dangerous. So like, what? Yeah, anyway, I was, my kids were like, mom, what’s wrong? And I’m like, sorry, just diet culture shit on the TV again. I’m… Are you tired? We’re tired now, aren’t we?

Coleen (31:05)

Ugh, well, we have-

Rachel (31:05)

Ugh. Yeah.

Coleen (31:10)

We have 11 months left to see what predictions were correct. And maybe in those 11 months, maybe in 11 months, we can do a recap and see what was wrong and what new sprouted that we didn’t know was gonna come out of 2025.

Julie Duffy Dillon (31:30)

Maybe yeah, maybe we need to do something midway, like sometime in June or July, do a check in on these predictions. And then what are we expecting for the second half of the year? Maybe this just needs to be like a regular episode because especially with diet culture IRL experiences that we talk about, yeah, however we can give you listener the heads up, we want to be all for it.

Coleen (31:34)

Yeah. Maybe we should do one too that’s like cool things we’re seeing. I’m like, maybe there’s, I’m like maybe.

Julie Duffy Dillon (32:00)

love that you said. Of course Coleen is the one that suggests that. She’s our hype woman.

Rachel (32:04)

And Akali’s like, how can we make this better? I appreciate that about you.

Coleen (32:07)

Maybe? Yeah. I don’t know, because there has to be good things too, right?

Rachel (32:12)

Yes. Yes.

Julie Duffy Dillon (32:12)

Yeah, I guess so.

Coleen (32:13)

Not weight loss related. Let me put that caveat out there.

Julie Duffy Dillon (32:13)

Yeah. Good. No. And maybe it’s, it’s the community that still exists that maybe is not getting as much airtime as it did five years ago. So you lead into your community, folks. And I think we’re wrapping up. Is that what I’m hearing? Are we good? All right, let’s see what happens and let’s start. What are your predictions? We always want to hear from you. So.

Julie Duffy Dillon (32:38)

Shoot us an email info at juliedillonrd.com and we look forward to seeing you next week. next week we get to hear from Elyse Resch. So, It was a fun interview. I’m excited for you all to listen to it, but thanks team. I appreciate you.

Coleen (32:46)

So exciting!

Rachel (32:46)

Yay! I can’t wait to listen to that. Bye.

Coleen (32:56)

Bye!

Julie Duffy Dillon (32:58)

So there you have it. I hope you enjoyed my conversation with Coleen and Rachel. We always enjoy chatting. So we hope it helps you to build a better way to connect with food and your body away from the diet culture shit storm. And be sure to check out next week’s episode. I had a chance to interview Elyse Resch, one of the co-creators and co-authors of Intuitive Eating. And it happens to be the 400th episode of the Find Your Food Voice podcast.

Did you know that we started this podcast in January of 2016? This is a whole nine years ago. This is amazing to me. I can’t believe that we’ve been doing it this long. And I’m grateful whether you’ve been with me the whole time or you’re new, this is a great party. And I am excited that the 400th episode is with Elyse Resch So be sure to check it out. And until then, take care.